My thing with vaccines; they save lives.
They might not save my life per se, as in directly, but they do keep people who can't get vaccinated safer. And then there are the times when I might have been sick, but didn't due to vaccines.
Lately I've been having a slight feeling that maybe, just maybe, some people would understand some of these important things if we all of sudden didn't have any vaccines anymore. Then again, it's easy to look at facts from a century back, or the under-developed countries present day. Or, we can just wait another decade when we've run out of antibiotics to combat even simple bacterial infections and see what that does to our average age span and health status.
(I've read too much about the influenza vaccine debate in Sweden and Finland this weekend. Coupled with being in the clinic watching sick children who are at risk due to some people not being vaccinated and carrying around germs... and that's not even mentioning the "pharma is out to kill us")
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Think also what the risk where the childhood vaccines that got them into this clinic in first place... Yes, childhood cancers can be triggered by vaxes. But nobody will tell about this loud. And you can't prove me wrong either - until double-blind studies have done. They never been.ma
well, I'd say that the "childhood cancers can be trigged by vaccins" is a bit of a hard one to state and prove. Childhood cancers don't have a "known cause and effect" since "childhood cancers" aren't the same thing...
That said, it's going to be very hard to prove what vaccinations in children are cause of or not since if there is an immunologic disease breaking out in children they will co-incide with a number of vaccinations that children get.
Then again, not vaccinating against childhood diseases is a very big step to take sicne in the places where you don't have vaccinations there is a high child mortality. And again, maybe not in the "vaccinated population per se" but in the children that can't have cvaccinations and will get very sick when getting the disesae.
I.e. wooping cough
(pertussis) which can be fairly unharmful for children over 3yoa but deadly for kids under 1year... so vaccination keeps the incidences down and the below 1 year olds aren't encountering the virus much.)
I'm kinda late to respond... but still better late than never, right? :) So, the pertussis indeed is the only one of the whole bunch that is dangerous for children below 6 months because it's bacterial and thus no protection in mother's milk. However, I did not hear that the cause of mortality was mostly pertussis... Measles created more problems but it was linked to malnutrition which is not the case in most of the countries. That being said, I'll take tiny risk that my child can catch P before 2 months old (after 2 months it's very hard but not as deadly). Moreover, P is still VERY common here as only 8% adults are re-vaxed with DTaP. So, you are still not really protected. To prove if there's a link of vaxes to anything is easy - run double-blind randomized study and watch for 10 years. but it's not in the interest of where the money are. Olga.
Olga: I think you might underestimate the importance of herd immunity and incidences... afteall, there is still a high percentage of vaccinated kids which means that the "true unvaccinated risk" is smaller than if no one was vaccinated. THerefore, imho, it is a luxury to be able to say "'m not vaccinating my child since it's not a certain risk they will get sick".
Then again, I guess it's going to be up to parents and play mates. I would ask the parents of my children's friends and thn decide if they could play together - but I'm an PhD trained in infectious diseases and peds....
PhD too, but after running across pub that there could be a link between MMR vax and atopic dermatitis my older child is struggling with... I did research and also looked at autism... Decided not to vax the younger one. He is 2 now. No signs of dermatitis so far. While it's not enough to prove a link, another coincidence is that the girl has the symptoms only in the area where she spent 1sr year of life (where you live and such). Meaning she got sensitized there at environment. Meaning the immune system went crazy - what could be the trigger? Vaxes including. Speaking of herd immunity... It's only about MMRV which I don't give a shit about and I prefer my kids have it, Polio - which is not in USA and I think I'll give this vaccine but later, D which was not that common and pertussis which I prefer them to have as well. Did you have any of these in childhood? In my childhood, MMRV and pertussis was very common around. Olga
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